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Toshiba Libretto ff 1100CT

 
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Kit



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Toshiba Libretto ff 1100CT Reply with quote

Hello All,

I'm trying to reinstall win98FE on a Libretto, an ancient netbook from the late 90's.

It has no internal FDD or CDROM, but one USB 1.0, a PCCard slot and a Smart Media slot.

I've tried copying the disc contents onto the HDD but 'ntldr is missing' indicates I need to have an active program for the boot manager to begin from.

BIOS is accessable but does not recognise the USB port or the external CDROM attached to it.

I've ordered a PCCard USB adapter which I hope will be recognised at startup.

The HDD is new.

I've read dozens of install methods, most of which require an FDD which the Libretto doesn't have.

So I'm wondering if it is impossible to simply boot and install from the HDD as it's the only drive the system recognises.

Thanks for your help!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first problem
that NTLDR missing error suggests the drive is formatted to NTFS. Win98 can't read NTFS drives. HAS to be FAT/FAT32

Next, without a CD or floppy, the only bootable device you have is the hard drive, so thats going to have to be your starting point
Only way I think you'll get this to work is by making that hard drive bootable.
So:
Put that hard drive into another machine, fdisk and format it to two partitions: firstone large, second smaller. Make the first one bootable in Win98.
Copy the Win98 folder from you windows 98 CD onto the second, small partition
Put the hard drive into the machine, fire it up, It should boot from the first partition and give you a C: DOS prompt
Move to the second partition, change to the Win98 folder, and manually run setup from the DOS prompt
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a couple of followups to the last post
1) remember that the largest partition a Win98 system can read is 127GB
So the partitions need to be smaller than that
2) You wont be able to make the drive bootable from within an NT based operating system. You need to do it using the "SYS" command - which only exists in Win9X / DOS
So you'll have to attach the drive to a Win98 machine, or boot the machine with a Win98 CD or floppy and SYS it from there. Probably best to do it this way:
take an existing working machine
unplug all existing drives
fit the new drive for the Win98 machine
boot from a Win98 CD, boot to "DOS with CD-rom Support"
Use the FDISK and FORMAT tools to create the partitions you need. Maximum of four, max 127GB each
SYS the first primary partition to make it bootable
Use Xcopy to copy the Win98 folder from the CD to the second partition
Remove the hard drive and fit ti to the Win98 machine
Boot it - it should fire up off the C: partition and give you a DOS prompt
The second partition should be D: , so use DOS commands to move to that
then type cd \Win98\setup /pj
That should launch Win98 setup and force it to ACPI mode

Good luck. Its easier than it sounds
As long as you know how to use FDISK FORMAT SYS and XCOPY in DOS
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Kit



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonS thanks so much for your help.

The last time I did anything with fdisk was in 1999 or something: I'm having flashbacks.

I've been doing research and study of command prompts and am in the middle of it all now.

I have an old XP Vaio (also Japanese) but at least it has a floppy drive.

I guess I'll be doing this over the new year hols.

Once again thanks for your help. I'll keep you updated.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just make sure you understand the switches for XCOPY
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is actually another way which MAY work - if it does it MAY be easier

Fit the drive to that second PC and install windows. Once installation has finished do NOT install any additional drivers.
First copy the win98\CABS folder to the hard drive (typically to c:\windwos\options\cabs
The read this, delete the autoexec.bat and confis.sys and VMM32.VXD files as listed, and work through the instructions
http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/win98me.htm

Its not as easy as it looks as some drivers you will have to fiind by hand - from the CABS folder, maybe c:\windows\system, maybe from c:\windows\drivers or maybe
Years since I last had to do it- I often had to talk customers through it back in the days on Win9X.
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Kit



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still trying to discover how to get the system to boot from the hdd.

I can't install win98 on the hdd because the Libretto boot CDs recognise the motherboard or what not as incorrect.

BIOS has FDD or HDD as boot options.

I formatted the HDD into two partitions and copied Win98 onto the second partition, but despite trying Fdisk, DOS and XP being installed onto the first partition, I can't get a DOS prompt. The new message is 'Replace the diskette and press any key'.

I apologise for being such a noob!

To use FDISK switches, I will have to do some more study. I will try some more.

The BIOS is very limited in options.

I was wondering if it isn't possible to have BIOS read partition one to access a DOS prompt, through which I could then access partition two where the Win98 files have been copied to.

One error occurred with the copying process: the KILLBITS file wouldn't copy across. Will this cause future problems?

Once again thanks for your assistance!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

put the drive back in the other machine and use the SYS command to make the first partition bootable
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